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Comentario de xabbott

As you gain more +damage this trinket becomes better and better. Depending on the length of a given fight it will most certainly beat out ToEP & ZHC.

Comentario de 5856

This is also very useful for when you have to summon 500 waters for a raid ;-)

Comentario de 6998

Going along with xabbott, this trinket is the best scaling caster dps trinket in the game currently. It scales so well and provides so much burst that it's on a 5 minute cooldown as opposed to the 2 minute cooldown of ZHC. I would continue using this trinket even at level 70 in the Burning Crusade. It provides the most use during those fights a bit longer than 5 minutes as you would get to use it twice as opposed to using it once in fights a tiny bit less than 5 minutes. Planning trinkets according to boss fight length provides a key increase in dps.

Comentario de schizophrenia

An extremely powerful trinket for mages. Something I would not reccomend trashing in Burning Crusade.

Comentario de 7187

I just got this trinket about 3 weeks ago. I love it! It's perfect for boss fights cause the cooldown is up by the time your at the next boss. I never thought about using it for water (gonna do that).

Comentario de rays

In addition to scaling very well, it's excellent for those fights where you need to burn something down as quickly as possible (Princess Huhuran comes to mind).

Comentario de 10076

The best burndown trinket in game. I do believe it will be getting nerfed as you level up (hence the conversion to spell haste rating fom casting speed).

Comentario de 1701

25% at level 60
20.93% at level 70

Comentario de 28826

Couple this with a Quagmirrans eye, and a blade of wizardry if you have that.

Oh god the dps increase.. Talk about being able to burn down sh1t.

Comentario de 11249

if you have MQG,QE,BoW,Berserk (trolls only) and a shammy to cast on you samo Bloodlust your cast will be just about 0,6-0,7sec (for frostbolt) ....

Comentario de 26569

You have to understand that lowering any cast time to under 1.5 seconds is useless because the golbal cooldown is 1.5 sec. I have the Blade of Wizardry and Quag's Eye and i become very peeved when they both proc while im stacking scorches, its a waster of a proc because Scorch = 1.5sec cast.. with Blade proc and Quag's Eye proc it becomes a 0.955 sec cast... with the global cooldown.. i cast scorch and then wait .545 seconds to cast another scorch.. This is why i liek this trinket, its not a chance on hit, its a use =D.. so when ur downing a boss you can tell your shaman to pop Bloodlust and then you urself pop this trinket making fireballs around 2.1sec(ish) cast (correct me if im wrong) thats when the procs from BoW and Quag's Eye become really useful =)

Comentario de 49114

Stacking all kinds of spell haste rating, both on proc, on use and constant can give you insane, and i really mean insane, DPS. BoW proc, QE proc, MQG activated, Bloodlust buff and spell haste from other items can give you a little bit over 80% reduced casting time. Though activating MQG at the same time as you have Bloodlust is kind of wasted in most cases since anything under 1,5 sec casting time doesn't increase your DPS because you have to wait for the global cooldown. But imagine AP activated along with enough spell haste to get Arcane Missiles down to 1,5 sec. 5 AM hits in 1,5 sec. That's pretty insane. You will burn alot of mana but in events where you have to optimize DPS to the fullest this is perfect. Spell haste FTW.

Comentario de Corbon

Unacceptable cooldown. This trinket doesn't even come close to the better blue Lv 70's, performance-wise.

Comentario de 36214

This + Icy Veins = Sexy at level 70

Comentario de 99092

In 2.4 spell haste will allow you to lower GCD to a minimum of 1 second, meaning the haste from this and a few of the other items mentioned earlier might not be so bad when you're spamming scorch.

Comentario de Thottbot

If you are a troll mage this could be pretty nice if used right. If this and berserk stack you would get a Fireball with the castingspeed of a scorch, i would give my left arm for that ;)

Comentario de Thottbot

I can conjure water even faster now. Vending machine mark 2

Comentario de Thottbot

Sunstrider does the same maths I just did (wish I'd scroled down first). It basicaly represents 2 extra frostbolts which is nice in PvP (if you get chance) and in some fairly important PvE situations it is usefull too (e.g. it may allow you to solo a son of flame).

On average though a 5 min cooldown means it is limited, 3 min cooldown would make it a lot more attractive but realy it should be a partner to ToEP and have 90 sec, I think they will fix it to that at some point in the future.

As things stand the reed is better though because it improves mana efficiency as well as damage output, it just isn't as flexable as being able to go into god mode for 13 seconds.

Edit:
Actualy like all the class trinkets this is realy for PvP / battlegrounds. Also it realy shines more with Fire spec because of the way speed effects + damage gear and the high crit chance, resistance to interuption etc. Scorch build being able to kick out 4 scorch debuffs in less than 5 sec and then whack out some ToEP fireballs for the win.

Comentario de Thottbot

Yes it's possible to switch trinkets...

But not in combat. Meaning, in a 3:00+ raid boss fight, the Briarwood Reed is much better.

Making this trinket, total crap in PvE instances, pretty good in PvP Battlegrounds, but I must agree with the above mage. The besst use is conjuring water for a thirsty raid. Or even better! Opening a portal in only 7.5 seconds rather than 10.

Comentario de Thottbot

With this you can conjure water up to 25% faster!

Comentario de Thottbot

This trinket is amazing, I don't know what all those people are saying. Perhaps they just think they know what it would be like. But I have it and I can tell you, it is awesome. I lasts a whopping 20 seconds, for one thing. Don't tell me you can't do silly damage in 20 seconds as a fire mage with FIREBALLS casting every 2.25 seconds. Also, it affects the global cooldown, which is incredible in PvP. This trinket is quite situational, yes, but when you need it and use it it is simply awesome.

The only drawbacks are that it lights you up with lightning just like Arcane Power, which really makes you more of a target than you already are in PvP, and the cooldown. In my opinion, it was stupid of Blizzard to make this the same animation. When you're AP people are gonna try to CC you like mad, and that's the last thing when you're trying to utilize faster casting time. It should have no graphic, and you should hide behind a stump or in a bush when you use it and nuke nuke nuke. Use it for the full 20 seconds then blow PoM on another target and you'll have several dead enemies around you and they won't know what hit them.

This trinket is awesome, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Comentario de Thottbot

Can anybody say how exactly the casting time is calculated, especially relating to talents?

For example, a Frostbolt has a casting time of 3 seconds, 2.5 with talents. If your mind is 25% faster (so the speed is 125% of normal), the casting time should be 80% of normal (1/1.25 = 0.8).

Does this apply before the talent reduction like this:

( 3 seconds * 0.8) - 0.5 seconds = 1.9 seconds

or after that, like this:

(3 seconds - 0.5 seconds) * 0.8 = 2.0 seconds.

The difference seems to be small, but we know that a 1/10 of second does matter in some situations, and it *nominally* corresponds to an increment in damage of 25% (2.5/2.0=1.25 in the 2.0 seconds case) or 32% (2.5/1.9=1.32 in the 1.9 seconds case).

I think it makes it a great trinket for PvP and also amazing in some PvE encounters (Vaelstrasz/Chromaggus) when you need to unload all your stuff in few seconds. For those saying that the Briarwood Reed is better... think of the context. If you have Burning Adrenaline, and you'll blow up in 20seconds, you don't need a 2% damage boost from the Reed, you need this Gem.

Also consider this trinket shares the same cooldown of the Talisman of ephimeral power and the Zandalarian Hero Charm.

Comentario de Thottbot

The one situation in PvE where this would be useful would be against the boss that drops it. If you get burning adrenaline on you, the 18 seconds of instant fireballs/frostbolts with a global cooldown of 1.20 seconds would be great. If you couldn't top 1k dps in that 20 seconds, you have problems.

Otherwise, this is a useful but somewhat limited PvP item, as the cooldown really hurts.

Comentario de Thottbot

This thing doesnt stack with ZHC nor TOEP anymore.

Comentario de Thottbot

Is global cooldown of 1 seconds on all spells affected by this item? Does cooldown become 0.75 second when casting IAE / CoC / Blast Wave / Frost Nova and other instant spells?

Comentario de Thottbot

No it isnt.... A global cooldown is a global cooldown and is put there for the reason that its a universally unchangable cooldown thats INTENDED to balance the class agianst other classes and has to do with the Mechanics of the 1 action and 1 move system by which the game is based on.

ALSO this trinket pwns.... crunch the numbers... it increases ur DPS by alot and if u cant pull AGGRO off your MT with it and a good TOEP or ZHC right after.. WELL then mebbe you should put down the Pipe with wahtever it is your smoking, stop sipping that beer, and concentrate.... ALSO make sure your using your highest rank fire or frostbolt.... sometimes it makes me wonder if alot of the mages are literally crying as they type some of this stuff... DO YOU WANNA SEE A worthless trinket check out the shaman's natural alignment Crystal. Or the Hunter Arcane infused Gem..

Comentario de Thottbot

Our guild mages werent willing to pay dkp for it, so it was rolled among the mages.

Imo its really nice trinket for those mages who want to prove their skill with more than just laser.

Comentario de Thottbot

water makeing ftw

Comentario de Thottbot

Any item that can increase damage by a percentage will always be very useful since it will always ramp in relation to spec, other items etc. So in time other trinkets will become less useful, ones like these will remain the same.. 25% casting cost reduction will increase its damage output constantly as your character spec and item template evolves.

Quite a nice imo ;)

Comentario de Thottbot

It's a +25% DPS boost for 20 secs damnit! This is a really GOOD trinket, stop whining. Only thing i want with it is for it to have a lower cooldown though, like 2min.

Comentario de Thottbot

Okay. If you are a troll mage such as I, you would be using this trinket alot.
the 33% faster cast and the 10-30% from beserking can be made into a 63% faster cast-Meaning that this will more than halve a fireball into a 1.5 sec cast or a frost bolt into 1 sec, This should give you enough time to reign havoc onto your enemy. With this combo you can freeze a mellee class get as far as possible and then unleash atleast 2 or 3 fire balls! OH MAH GOSH!

Comentario de Thottbot

This is a great tinklet. better then arcane power. Agreed not very good for the hard pve fights

U can say wat u want but in the end it all comes down to pvp. Not about looking cool in ironforge or orgimmar with ur gear.

Comentario de Thottbot

combustion + MQG = insane ignite rolls, because usuallu critting 3 fireballs in a row will not roll ignite, but with the speed cast improvement they will roll

if a fight lasts over 5 minutes, combine fetish of the sandreaver, with mqg and combust to use it at the start of the fight and not pull aggro (they do stack)

Comentario de Thottbot

for anyone who's curious about the looks: when you activate it, it looks just like arcane power/power infusion :p

Comentario de Thottbot

Okay, since it seems noone said anything about this in a while: this is GREAT lvl seventy trinket for anyone willing to get attuned for and run BWL. This is mainly due to the fact that at lvl 70, there is so much haste gear, that stacking just a few good pieces can increase your damage insanely.
this trinket gives 330 haste, more than any other item a mage can use, not to mention it lasts 20 seconds! , which drops off of Illidan, gives 175 spell haste for 20 seconds, barely over half of the haste of this, with the same CD time. so, for a lvl 70, this gives roughly a 20% speed increase, which alone is decent, but say (for frost mages like myself) you use Icy Veins for the 20 seconds as well, that's an extra 20%, and if you have some base haste, this can really add up.
Now, factor in Blade of Wizardry or Quagmirran's eye, both have a chance on spell cast to increase haste (BoW by 280, QE by 320) for only 6 seconds; granted it procs at a nice rate.
so, if say one procced and you use this trinket, thats 610-650 haste, about 35%-40%, then whip out icy veins, that's like 60% faster casting right there, turning 2.5 second frostbolts into 1.75 second frostbolts, which you can fire off 4 of in the proc time of six seconds (if you cast a spell that will take longer to cast than the remainder off a haste buff's duration, the spell still gets full haste effect)! that is not only good raiding DPS, but also really good for PvP, since faster casts allow higher DPS, and for frosties more chances to freeze a target and unleash ice lance hell on them.
Long story short, run BWL, get this trinket, stack some haste (badge loot helps), get icy veins, and go crazy with your superfast spells. :D

Comentario de Thottbot

MMK, if this stacks, imagin this.

Troll racial + this trinket + icy veins

That would be like, a 2.5 second pyroblast?

Comentario de Thottbot

That ain't practical...but full s4 mages with this and icy veins are...and belive me, it aint pleasant

Comentario de Allakhazam

this is one of the better class trainkets.

Comentario de Allakhazam

"As far as I know they don't 'share' cooldowns but they can not be used together, so right after using one you can use the other, a big nerf for PVP but practically no difference for PVE since you get all the damage out anyway, it's just spread over a greater period of time."

Yes because every mage lives long enough to get 35 seconds of straight nuking time in pvp.

Comentario de Allakhazam

ok thx

then its just worse than talisman of ephemeral power that has only 1.5 min CD

hm, sth else:

does it somehow reduce cooldown-time on spells by 25% as well? (i guess not though ;))

Comentario de Allakhazam

I just got this on Sargeras Server. Yes its still a 5 minute cooldown, it's incredibly fun to use. It does share a cooldown with ZHC at least (since I have ZHC, Mind Quickening Gem combo now), so I'd assume it'd share a cooldown with ToEP too. Since my guild marked down the Class Trinkets in dkp cost, cause they can seem worthless compared to other trinkets, I got this for cheap DKP too. If it had a 3 minute cooldown it'd be better than ZHC and ToEP definately. But since it has a 5 minute cooldown you're only gonna get it off once in a boss fight... not twice like toep or zhc. Still a fantastic Trinket IMHO

Comentario de Allakhazam

its 5 min

Comentario de Allakhazam

Is this thing not usable in combat and only meant for burst damage? One of our mages is complaining about it, especially since there's no text saying only usable out of combat.

Edited, Thu Mar 9 04:59:16 2006

Comentario de Allakhazam

really nice. it makes conjuring crystal water 25% more fun!

too bad they removed the spell quickening buff from deviate fish, these two together would have been awesome.

Comentario de Allakhazam

Cooldown is 5 minutes, I like its usefullness for a lot of the BWL encounters, and its pretty funny to puke out frostbolts and getting frostbite proc with this thing, both in duels and in fighting elite mobs. However, I am now officially labeled the best water-maker on my server (Kor`gall EU) ;)

Comentario de Allakhazam

This trinket and the Talisman of Ephemeral Power should make a mage possible to deal alot of damage :)

Comentario de Allakhazam

i'be had mine about a week now and its really good :) balancing all the cooldowns is a pain though...

my best-burst - POM - ToEP + Pyro + MQG + fireball till MQG runs out

in 1.5 mins ToEP comes back so use it again -
in 3 mins POM comes back and ToEP comes back so use
in 4.5 mins ToEP is back oncemore - BUT i wait
5 mins MQG is back - now i have to decide if i wait 1 min for POM or just use MQG + ToEP.

gives me a bloody headache i tell ya :p

but the water pours in and the damage pours out... and i got the first that droped for my guild so i'm happy^^

Comentario de Allakhazam

cooldown is 5 min

Comentario de Allakhazam

This trinket and toep or zhc will be the best combonation for a mage after patch 1.10 since toep and zhc will share a cooldown. Now toep and zhc will be worthless together.

Comentario de Allakhazam

OMG, why dont we just give the whole damn game to mages blizzard how about a trinket that gives them +1000000 spell damage while we are at it hmm?

Comentario de Allakhazam

still 5 mins cd on it, or has it been patched down?

Comentario de Allakhazam

Does this reduce the cast time on Teleport? Taking it under 10 seconds..... IE Could I pop this and then POM teleport.....

Comentario de Allakhazam

Alright, this is to compare the ToEP with the Mind Quickening Gem.

Say that your frost bolts are hitting for 800 every 2.5 seconds.

You activate the Gem and get 1.875 casting times for frost bolt.

The total damage you will do in 15 seconds will be around 6400. (15 divided by 1.875 multiplied by 800)

In the exact same situation, where you spam frost bolts after activating the ToEP, each one will be hitting for around 975 for 15 seconds, and the casting time is 2.5 seconds.

Your total damage in these 15 seconds will be approx 5850. (15 divided by 2.5 multiplied by 975.)

Therefore Mind Quickening Gem > ToEP slash Zandalar hero charm.

Comentario de Allakhazam

this is a very nice tinket...but I prefer my Talisman Of Ephemeral Power + Zandalarian Hero Charm (delivering heart of Hakkar)

imo: damage>speed (with my pvp gear and these 2 trinkets i do +3000 frostbolts)

But still this is a nice trinket for those who cant get to the hero charms....

- Xana

Comentario de Allakhazam

You have to scale the +dmg from the other trinkets, as they scale with % modifiers such as CoE, Piercing Ice, Arcane Instability, etc.

So the only way to truly compare MQG with ToEP/ZHC/ToA is to ignore all percentage modifiers and do it based on +dmg alone.

Now we all know that MQG scales based on total +dmg (increases casting speed) while ToEP/ZHC/ToA scale based on only their own +dmg. The difference being MQG's extra damage is based on how many "extra" bolts you get off, while ToEP/ZHC/ToA depend on their shorter cooldown for many bolts with extra +dmg tacked on to make the difference.

So a pure comparison is based on total damage added with a constant amount of +dmg. Lets use +550dmg and Rank 11 frostbolt, because I believe this is a good attainable number, for mages who are in guilds who are farming BWL, and have picked up this trinket and the new rank along the way.

Untalented R11 frostbolt with +550dmg = 983 average damage

First for PURE theorycrafting. For sustained damage over an instance, lets use a common denominator of 30 minutes and 20 seconds for ZHC, MQG, and ToEP.

MQG gets 30/5 + 1 = 7 uses. In each of these uses, the player gets 20/(2.5*0.75) - 20/2.5 = 2.67 extra casts. This translates into 2621 extra damage per use, or ~ 18350 damage added over 30 minutes.

ToEP gets 30/1.5 + 1 = 21 uses. In each of these uses, the player gets (15/2.5)*175*0.814 = 855 extra damage. This translates into ~ 16950 damage added over 30 minutes.

ZHC gets 30/2 + 1 = 16 uses. In each of these uses, the player gets (204+187+170+153+136+119+102+85)*0.814 = 941 extra damage. (yes, the tool tip is incorrect) This transates into ~ 15056 damage added over 30 minutes.

ToA gets 30/1 + 1 = 31 uses. In each of these uses, the player gets (200+160+120+80+40)*0.814 = 488 extra damage. This translates into ~ 15140 damage added over 30 minutes.

So for sustained damage in zero lag conditions, the order of damage added is MQG > ToEP > ToA > ZHC.

Coming up next: The real world! How well do these trinkets actually perform in live server conditions?

Edited, Jul 19th 2006 at 3:00pm EDT by Malentra

Comentario de Allakhazam

anyone knows the cooldown on this?

Comentario de Allakhazam

Best thing ever in pvp ; If one day I manage to get it I think I'll laugh farming my scorch button

Comentario de Allakhazam

"Now toep and zhc will be worthless together."

How about no ?

As far as I know they don't 'share' cooldowns but they can not be used together, so right after using one you can use the other, a big nerf for PVP but practically no difference for PVE since you get all the damage out anyway, it's just spread over a greater period of time.

Comentario de Allakhazam

DO NOT SPEND DKP ON THIS ITEM. since blizzard is full of a bunch of retard lazy programmers, they decided to recycle the AP spell animation. Don't count on using this in pvp, even the reduced cast speed won't help you when you get targetted and counterspelled by every !@#$ing enemy on the field...
trinket is trash, take it if you want to make faster water, because thats all its good for.

Comentario de Allakhazam

I casts flamestrik in org on roof til out o f maana lawsls then wen to bedl

Seriously, it's better than some of the other BWL class trinkets ;)

Comentario de Kanariya

For those new to Classic, Spell Haste (itemized as Casting speed) works differently from the live game.

Spell Haste only makes cast-time spells cast faster. It does not affect channeled spells or DoTs/HoTs. It also does not reduce the global cooldown, which is capped at 1.5 seconds.

With that in mind, it is important to know that this trinket will not have any effect on spells like Arcane Missiles, Blizzard, or Evocation. It will make Flamestrike cast faster, but it won't make its periodic damage tick faster.

(Note: In Burning Crusade: Classic, spell haste does affect channeled spells and the global cooldown. However, it continues to have no effect on DoTs or HoTs until Wrath (differently from retail), and will not exhibit retail behavior overall until Cataclysm.)

Comentario de GhostGhost

BiS for PvP mages in TBC.

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