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Comentario de Desacrasa

Insanity... crafted weapon.

Comentario de 8161

So uh, anyone going swordsmith now? :P

Comentario de GokuuSon

The real question is... will this be able to stack with a crusader enchant for a total of 200 Strength if the two happen to proc at the same time.

Comentario de deathbywow

So how does this work? If you have the earlier version you can just upgrade?

Comentario de 9674

To make Lionheart Executioner you have to be Master Swordsmith. Reagents are:
1x Lionheart Champion
20x Nether Vortex

Comentario de I3rawler

The question is: this Lionheart or Stormherald/Deep Thunder?

Comentario de 25536

Creating this one is a long process... Nether Vortex's are rumored only to drop in 25.man instances

Comentario de 28667

The weapon speed thing everyone discuss about is outdated. Many months ago, every instant attack got "weapon dmg + weapon speed * attack power bonus". So a slow weapon gave you MUCH more benefit from your AP.

But this was patched. For a long time we get 3.3 * AP on every instant attack. No weapon speed modifier anymore.

Now, a solid min/max dmg + good stats are much more important than wearing the slowest weapon in the game. Sure, slower weapons have higher max. damage than faster weapons with the same dps. But 20 max. dmg more are much less important, than you maybe think about. And don't forget, +5% chance for an extra attack is more valuable with high end equip, than +5% crit.

Comentario de 30628

i agree with Kasotai who needs crit when you can hit people for as much as a crit without taking in resilience factor also as an arms warrior this would make MS and heroic strike deadly YAY ME

Comentario de jafar

Can Crits miss or not?

The only real source for answer of this question is this Blizzard post. There exist two ways to interprete it.

One school ("Crits can miss") claims that the half-sentence "if you have a 5% crit rate, that 5% chance includes misses" means that a crit can be a miss, so if you have a 10% crit chance, and 5% miss chance, only 8 swings out of 100 will crit in the average. This means that each swing can be either a hit or a miss, and crits are calculated completely independently.

The other school ("Three outcomes") claims that the mathematical formulas given later in the post make clear that crits may never miss, and that a swing can have exactly one of three outcomes - crit, hit or miss. The probability for each of these three is calculated separate, the only restriction is that their sum has to be 100%.

Argument for Crits may miss
There are many crit modifying spells within the game which can miss (such as Cold Blood).

A way to confirm or deny this, would be to let a rogue with 300 dagger skill, no +% talents or effects, use only auto-attack on a (preferrably healing-class) player with no +def for about an hour or longer. Record his crit per swing, and compare that to the crit chance displayed in his tooltip. It is however crucial that the mod/program/whatever which is recording, only recordes crit per swing and not crit per hit. So it would have to count swings, and count crits, and then divide the first by the later. Then redo the entire thing with, respectively, more %hit and more %crit.

Argument for three outcomes
The counter-argument to the "cold blood may miss" argument is that you may never increase your crit chance at the cost of your miss chance, i.e. if you have a 5% miss chance, you crit chance cannot increase beyond 95%. Using cold blood only guarntees that you will never see a normal hit, it does nothing to your miss chance.

Interpreting the blizzard post with the following steps:

"The crit rate includes misses" is a contradiction to the assumption that crits, hits and misses are the three possible, separate outcomes of a swing.
Replacing "misses" by "swings that do not hit" yields: "The crit rate includes swings that do not hit".
This version of the sentence matches the formulas
This rather formal way of interpretation assumes a little slip in the natural language used by Blizzard. If there are three different outcomes, replacing "miss" with "not a hit" is mathematically a severe error. In natual language though it's only a slight imprecision. In other words, Blizzard uses the term "miss" a little loose, they mean it to include all swings which are not normal hits.

When Sword and Poleaxe specialization are compared alone, they are essentially the same. Both provide an additional 5% chance to do double damage, whether in a second swing or a crit. However, when considered with any preexisting crit chance, sword specialization has the added ability to crit on either hit, and also has the very small chance of a third swing, etc. Talents such as impale and deep wounds make poleaxe specialization more favorable because they can improve the damage of critical strikes. +Damage abilities also favor +crit chance because the +dmg is also doubled during a crit. Target hit and crit resistances, as well as abilities triggered by critical strikes (blood craze and enrage) should also be taken into account. Although sword spec gives the potential for higher burst damage, this situation is rare.

Comentario de NeoBlackheart

This is going to be hard to do but I am going to craft both this and the Blazefury for my Prot. Paladin. This when I am not the tank and the Blazefury for when I am. It will be hard but oh well.

Comentario de Beliar

sword procs can miss/parry/ be dodged, and then your 5% proc is now garbage. Where as if you have crit spec, if it is missed/parry/dodged it was going to be anyway and you missed nothing.

Also, the crit spec affects MS, overpower, heroic strike, cleave, slam, in addition to white damage.

Quite obvious which one is better.

However, double paladin, double warrior, and a elemental shaman arena teams with the warriors having stormherald/mace spec is the most overpowered thing in the game atm, so I'd recommend that over the other specs if you're a warrior at the time of this post if you're PvP oriented.

Comentario de 33269

For enchants I would go with Mongoose over Crusader, Mongoose will cost you a lot more but it far better imo. Gives you 120 Agility and a minor weapon speed increase. And it's a BC Enchant so it doesn't recieve the lvl 60-70 deminish. Also a question, If you enchanct the Lionheart Blade does the enchant stay with the weapon or is it destroyed? I'm assuming that It won't stay but just curious.

Comentario de 33269

This weapon currently has the most dps other then wands and GM weapons. Even though it beats the other tier 3 weapons by like 0.1 - 0.3. But still I think it has the best graphic and the Stormherald is close next to the Bloodmoon.

Comentario de Aowolf

RIght now a heavily arena/PvP geared player can have 5% reduced crit change and and around 10% dmg from resilience. This kind of gear becomes more common every day as arena teams build up more and more points. I think we will see a greater acceptation of sword spec from pvp warriors.

Comentario de 33269

The complete mats for the Lionheart Blade,Champion and Executioner are:

1. 10 Primal Might’s (Mats Listed Below)

2. 10 Primal Mana (100 motes)*Can me farmed in Netherstorm off of Mageslayer's and Mana Wraith's*. You can also use an Engineering Item (305 Req) to Extract gas (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23821)

3. 10 Primal Earth (100 motes)*Can be mined from Fel Iron Deposits, Khorium Veins, Adamantite Deposit and Rich Adamantite Deposit. Can also be farmed from Earth Elementals in Nagrand (All around Oshu'Gun) and Shadowmoon Valley (All around the Hand of Guldan)

4. 10 Primal Water (100 motes)*Farmed from Water elementals found in Nagrand (Kind of under Halla), Terrokar Forest and Zangramarsh. Can also be fished in Nagrand, Terrokar Forest and Zangramarsh

5. 10 Primal Air (100 motes)*Can be farmed off Air Elementals in Nagrand (Around 67,24 lvl 70-71), Shadowmoon Valley (North and South of the Black Temple)

6. 10 Primal Fire (100 motes)*Can me mined from Fel Iron Deposits. Can also be farmed off of Fire elementals in Nagrand (Around 67,24) and Shadowmoon Valley*

7. 6 Hardened Adamantite Bars or 120 Adamantite Ore (325 and 350 for Rich). Requires 375 mining to make the Hardened Bar.

8. 14 Khorium Bars or 28 Khorium Ore (375 Mining). Can be farmed at Hellfire Peninsula around the Dark Portal.

9. 2 Primal Mights (Mats above)

10. 12 Primal Nether (Farmed from Heroic Instances(Last boss with exception of Ramparts, drops off of Omor) and Normal(Has a lower drop rate)).

11. 20 Nether Vortexs, drops from 25 man runs such as Serpentine Lair.

Comentario de 43653

Nether Vortex will be easy to get? I'm really confusing. Is every crafters in the team could get one or more from the Boss or just one or more Vortex and need the leader to hand out them?

Comentario de carstone

Nether Vortex will drop from trash in TK in 2.1
you need 5 for this sword

Comentario de 28016

Swordspec get fixed in Patch 2.1:

"- Sword Specialization: This ability now grants extra yellow attacks
instead of extra white attacks. It also grants rage based on the
speed of your weapon. This change will make Sword Specialization
no longer reset the weapon swing timer when it triggers off special
attacks, and results in a net increase in damage dealt. "

I can confirm this: Impale works now with Swordspec, it cannot glance and generate Rage. Procchance is round about ~5%.

Comentario de 42049

Does the fear resist stack with talents like the paladins' Unyielding Faith? (10% fear resist)

Comentario de 46113

ok back up 2 what they where saying earlier about a crit missing, it doesnt miss, if it missed it wasnt a crit for that reason and that u cannot miss a crit if u want me 2 back it up i will

Comentario de 66920

im amazed nobody mentioned how good this would be on an orc warrior even over the Axe with the talent iron will plus the racial 15% you hit roughly 38% stun and charm resist with this.

Comentario de 16359

Personally, I would not craft this weapon (Or go Master Swordsmith, for that matter) as a Warrior. Sword Specialization is great, but the weapon itself isn't that good. It has no stamina (which is vital for PvP and arena), compared to the mace (+61 stam), and wasted item points on a fear resist (which the class does not need).

I can't comment on this for Retribution Paladins or 2h Shamans, but it seems to be the weakest of the Blacksmithing weapons.

Comentario de 68187

Gonna craft this for my retri pala, i use sob over soc so the loss of stun isnt that great, id rather take 100 str chance any day. Would prefer some stamina over the fear resist tho.

Comentario de 65162

Honestly I think they need to bring it down to just 1 Nether Vortex required ( and the Champion ofcoarse ).

On my server ( Ysera ) nobody for Horde has wielded this sword yet, in 25 man raids with almost all profesions wanting a vortex for their epic whatever, it makes it very unlikely to be able to obtain 5.

I have no hope of ever getting this sword as of now, even in my well raiding guild. When I obtain the Champion I plan on getting my super enchants on it.

-Wes

Comentario de 37698

The Screenshot for this Sword is the Champion version NOT the Executioner

The tier 3 of this sword has an golden glow to it and it is also wider or well...more of an edge to it

Comentario de 87237

As of patch 2.2, the Lionheart series of blades which have the strength proc will now play a unique sound upon proccing. Rumor has it the sound is that of a lion's roar.

Comentario de Ansi

As of patch 2.2, the Lionheart proc (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=34513) plays the same sound you hear when Crusader proc's, and it triggers a small red "boiling" swirl above your head for the entire duration.

Comentario de 94489

Compared to Lionheart Champion

+3% to resist fear
+3 str
+36 top end damage
Slightly higher proc rate from the buff "Lionheart" (+100str)

Comentario de 63180

In fact, Lionheart Champion is not hard to upgrade to Lionheart Executioner. If your guild has cleared Karazhan and is starting upon SSC, you will have it in no time. About 3 Nether Vortex's dropped during clearing the trash mobs before Hydross The Unstable when I ran SSC with my guild for the first time. It might just be luck, can't really say. Of course, others will probably need the vortexes too, but 5 Vortex's aint bad for that awesome upgrade.

Comentario de 31725

In all honesty.... This is the best reason to go sword spec. Yes it's lvl 60. and yes it's Alliance (lol) but it's still an amazing pvp video. And as far as i remember, sword spec hasnt been changed since (still only procs off white hits for warriors). I may not know much, but i know that swords is the way to go. The sword may not come with stamina, but take a look at the massive dmg you can deal with this thing... It's worth it to me.

If you're doubting the sweet deal you get when you spec for swords, watch this... And put all your cares aside.

Grand Marshall Maydie

Comentario de 119052

I could swear I've seen swordspec proc off of mortal strike, heroic strike and even hamstring lately.

Comentario de TyrionFarseer

Since nobody's posted this yet:-

Both the name and the shape of this sword are a reference to "Thundercats", the 80s cartoon.

Edit: Lionheart Executioner, Thundercats, Squall's symbol.

Looks more like the thundercats logo to me, but hey, each to their own ^^

You have a link to a better image of the griever symbol?

Comentario de 135863

too bad u cant upgrade swords to match BT quality weapons

Comentario de 145058

i got a Ret pally and i only got problem with fear during pvping, so i was thinking about spending some talent point in holy talent tree to get the Unyielding Faith
so i got 12-8-41 talent

so its 10%(talent) +8%(sword) =18% fear resist

also i can activate Shadow Resistance Aura before attacking warlock or priest so i get more chance to resist there fears/spells .

so imo i think its maybe better from Stormherald coz it got the fear resist + i feel that Stormherald stun proc going to get nerfed coz there was alot of talk about it recently.

and about suggestion that says Stormherald Stun-proc can be used for Judgement of Command, imo Ret pallys always spam judgement when its available so they do more damage to the enemy , and the way i play paladin i dont think that iam gona w8 for the Stormherald stun proc so i cast my judgement, and if u gona w8 for the stun proc to happen any time so i think most of the time (if it wasnt all the time) your judgement will be on cooldown.

if any 1 can help by giving me more infos about increasing the fear resist will be appreciated.
and sorry about my bad English :)
thank you.

Comentario de 94339

The fear break is decent for ret paladins but i think at this point it would be completely foolish for a warrior to spend the gold to craft this when he can just get the s2 sword for honor. Even for pve they are both about the same damage, and for pvp this thing has no stam at all or resilience which makes it pretty awful. If you're a sword pvp warrior i'd just wait and get the s2 merc sword for honor.

Comentario de 70811

What is the proc chance on the sword?

Comentario de 116595

this weapon would probably be the best for a Blood Elf Ret Pala to get cause of SoB, Alliance Pala's should get https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28442 because of the simple fact they only have SoC to have fun with

Comentario de 155235

Not 100% sure this if this is the sword or the mongoose enchant, pretty sure its the sword, but whenever the sword is in motion, aka you're riding or swinging the sword it has a trailing stream of 3-4 rows of large orange spheres moving behind it. Whenever trailing people who have mongoose on other weapons, I have not noticed this, I got the sword enchanted immediately upon crafting, so I did not notice this before, and you need to have your "Spell Effects" option maxed to see it, and no I am not referring to the orange swords glow from mongoose, as this effect occurs anytime the sword is in motion, looks pretty cool, I uploaded a screenshot so you could see which shows it trailing behind the sword while its pulled back and hits an npc, I did have some riding shots, but the spheres are very faint and hard to capture with screen capture, unless you took a movie and pulled out the exact frame.

I also uploaded a screenshot of the proc animation (swirling small red bubbles above your head) as well.

Full S1 and S3 off items, honored Aldor shoulder enchant, no head enchant, with BoM and BS + Lionheart Proc and Mongoose, I go from:
892-1077 Damage
3.6 Speed
2052 AP
30.90% Crit (Berserker Stance - Mostly +hit gems)

to

944-1129 Damage
3.53 Speed
2252 AP
34.53% Crit

Comentario de 148794

SHORT SUMMARY: For those of you who don't feel like reading, Stormherald will do more damage per hit by a small margin, but Lionheart's proc, when averaged over time, might add a little more damage.

I'm not completely sure Ret should automatically go for Stormherald in PvE for raids.

The arguments for Stormherald are:

Slower weapon speed means higher average damage, thereby buffing both Seal of Command and Crusader Strike, which are both based on weapon damage.
The stun proc will cause Judgment of Command to hit harder.

Lionheart's advantages:

The stats give 20 more AP and slightly more crit.
Fear resistance. Mostly useless for raid DPS, but I'm mentioning it just so it isn't left out.
The proc adds 200 AP for 10 seconds.

Base weapon DPS calcs:

Lionheart's hits average 459 damage, Stormherald's average 482.5. Difference: 23.5, Stormherald deals 105.12% of Lionheart's damage. These are white hits, and since both weapons have their speed and damage average to 127 DPS, this calculation by itself is irrelevant. What is important here is that Stormherald deals 105.12% of Lionheart's damage, so all of the attacks the paladin uses that are based on weapon damage will do 5.12% more with Stormherald.
Lionheart's SoC hits (459*.7) average 321.3, Stormherald's average 337.75. Difference: 16.45, again 105.12%.
Lionheart's Crusader Strike hits (459*1.1) average 504.9, Stormherald's average 530.75. Difference: 25.85, again 105.12%.

Judgment of Command does roughly twice its normal damage when the target is stunned, as well. These facts make Stormherald seem like the better DPS option for a Ret paladin. However, I have found several convincing counter-arguments.

Lionheart adds another 20 AP, which is roughly 1.43 DPS. The attack speed for Lionheart is 3.6, meaning you multiply the damage per second by number of seconds (1.43*3.6) to get the damage per hit (DPH). That comes out to 5.15 more DPH from stats than Stormherald. Since the 20 AP I calculated was just the advantage of Lionheart over Stormherald and not the total, I can just add it to the average DPH I already had for Lionheart without skewing the innate DPH difference between the two from speed. That means Lionheart comparatively has 464.15 DPH where Stormherald would have 482.5, narrowing the difference from 5.12% to 3.9%. Remember, I'm talking about nothing more than the weapon's base DPH and AP here, both of which are scaled the same for white attacks as they are for SoC procs and Crusader Strike, so the previous calcs still apply. To get the total percent increase in damage from this, I would need to calculate the number of procs per minute of Seal of Command (which is PPM, so neither weapon would proc more often, favoring the slightly slower Stormherald, which is why most people would use it) which I honestly don't know, and the amount of times "per second" Crusader Strike is used (1/6), which figures out to a DPS increase of .1667%, I would estimate that with all of the calculations made so far, factoring in only melee attacks, SoC procs, and Crusader Strikes, total damage would go up around 1%, or probably a bit lower. That's actually a few points of DPS, and not negligible, which means Stormherald still has the advantage thus far.

However, Lionheart also has a proc that adds 100 Strength, which is 200 AP unbuffed, or 220 with BoK. Depending on proc rate, adding 200 AP (or 220) every 30 seconds, or every minute, or every minute and a half, etc. could very well increase DPS beyond Stormherald's fairly small advantage. Remember, 200 AP applies to all of the Paladin's white hits, SoC procs, and Crusader Strikes just like Stormherald's base DPH advantage does. The only question is whether or not the proc's bursts of a lot of extra damage would average out to more than the consistent but very small advantage of Stormherald's DPH.* Having seen procs such as Crusader, Destiny, and Rage of the Unraveller on several characters, I have a hunch that the Lionheart proc would outdo the Stormherald's DPH.

*People also bring up the fact that JoC does more damage when the target is stunned, so this weapon also increases damage from JoC. I think this is generally a specious claim, since the proc rate on the stun, according to a Wowhead post, is about 1.4%, meaning that you would have to sit around with your Judgment already cooled down waiting for a proc to "capitalize" on the extra damage if you were using it in PvE, rather than using your Judgment as part of your normal rotation, thereby hitting much more often with it. Also, bosses are going to be immune to the stun effect, anyway, so it becomes worthless against them.

Frankly, it's a tossup. I am personally going to craft Lionheart Executioner for my Ret Paladin once I get him to 70, because I think it's probably a little better for PvE DPS, and the difference is probably so small that if I'm wrong, it's not going to matter much. I realize that was a very long post to read, but I didn't think it would get quite that long.

Comentario de RazerMuffin

I wonder if Blizz would make another version of the Lionheart to couple with Season 4's release. Or they might just let it alone and people would only use this until their team gets good enough so they can use the spatula sword.

Comentario de Allakhazam

Dear Hunters,

This is obviously a Warrior/Paladin Weapon, if you would like to get the 20 Nether Vortex's then you would need your pets to tank all the bosses, I would think you would wipe nearly every boss. Any warrior that is not a Black Smith, they are idiotic. 123.7 DPS and the stats are too insane to pass up. So once again Hunters, if you would like this weapon Re-roll warrior get it to 70 get it attuned for everything possible then u can $%^&* and whine if its a Hunter weapon. Warriors will get the most for these stats by being melee class and using it to the fullest. Ok hunters imagine the best range weapon in the game, then imagine a Warrior rolling against you for it. Thats how we feel when you noobs think that every weapon is a "HUNTER" weapon.

Thanks for understanding you dumb ass Range class.

Ps. Hunters only use Melee weapons for Wing Clip, and mabey Raptor strike. Now STFU all you hunters about the end BS level Weapons except for the Axe one which has no stats 'cept the AP and Crit rating.

Thanks

Throy, Arms/Fury warrior.

Thats the spirit give it to them DUDE!All thos hunters that are posting for this great 2h weapon and other weapons !Warriors,palladins thats who shall take this weapon,well done dude !1

Comentario de Allakhazam

Comentario de Thottbot

this thing looks so badass with executioner on it. if you get it i'd strongly advise to get executioner

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