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Comentario de 24174

First time trying this so this could be off... http://www.wowwiki.com/Combat_Rating_System

21 Spell haste rating @ lvl70 is equal to 1% spell haste. These shoulders will give 1.81% spell haste when equipped.

1.81% of 1.5second cast = 0.02715
...so your 1.5 second cast will be 1.47285 seconds.

1.81% of 2second cast = 0.0362
...so your 2second cast will be 1.9638 seconds.

Comentario de 59123

Making up for latency is now part of your itemization.

Comentario de kronchev

Haste is like MP5, on one item its not really effective, but if you stack it, you can get a LOT of reduction.

Comentario de 74745

The +heal coefficients for downranked spells.

http://dklein.taunus.de/pala/

Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Downranking

Comentario de 41033

For those wondering, GCD scales with cast speed. Ever had heroism or the scarab trinket effects? You'll find you can still happily spam your spells without even coming close to the GCD timer.

Comentario de PoetikDragon

Both of the math posts at the top are wrong. Haste numbers being changed in 2.2 and the haste rating on this item aside, the math itself is still incorrect. Speed is not the same thing as Cast Time, and you cannot directly multiply Haste by a spell's Cast Time.

Haste increases Speed and decreases Cast Time. Speed is defined as number of casts per second. Cast Time is defined as number of seconds per cast. Thus, Cast Time and Speed are inversed of each other. The new cast time of a hasted spell is the inverse of the new speed, which is the inverse of the base cast time multiplied by 100% + haste.

Here's an example with Flash of Light:
1 / 1.5 seconds Cast Time = 0.667 Speed
102.4111% Haste * 0.667 Speed = 0.683 Hasted Speed
1 / 0.683 Hasted Speed = 1.46 Hasted Cast Time

Note, also, that Light's Grace makes a special case for Holy Light. Normally, Haste effects the Cast Time of a spell after talents are taken into consideration, such as with the Bane talent for Warlocks. However, Light's Grace is different - it does not reduce the base Cast Time in your spellbook, but instead applies a temporary buff. Because of this, Haste for Holy Light is based on the 2.5 second Cast Time, not 2.0 seconds! (To put it another way, the -0.5 seconds is applied after Haste.)

With those two corrections in mind, here's the actual Cast Times for various paladin spells with 2.41% Haste:
Holy Light 1.94s
Flash of Light 1.46s
Redemption 9.76s
Avenger's Shield 0.98s
Holy Wrath 1.95s
Hammer of Wrath 0.49s
Turn Undead 1.46s
Summon Charger 2.93s

This may seem similar to the original values posted. However, the discrepancies grow larger the more Haste you have and the longer the Cast Time. For example, lets take a base 30% Haste - doable with some Haste gear and gems, as well as the Black Morass trinket - and a long casting spell like Redemption.

1 / (130% * (1 / 10)) = 7.69s Redemption (correct)
10 - (30% * 10) = 7.00s Redemption (incorrect)

Comentario de zothar

I thought these were bind on equip? Has that changed?

Comentario de vexis58

According to MaxDPS.com these shoulders are the third best pally healing shoulders in the game, better than T5. The pattern will appear on the AH from time to time, so if you're a blacksmith with plenty of money to spend, it's possible to get BT-quality gear without ever setting foot in a raid just by watching the AH long enough. Expect to spend a LOT on the Hearts of Darkness if you ever see them.

Comentario de 132824

Trying to decide which to use, Spaulders of the Advocate or Dawnsteel Shoulders for a Holy pally. Which would you use if you already have made the dawnsteel and won the spaulders of the advocate in ZA.

Comentario de Allakhazam

I have these on my Pally, Androxis of Burning Blade, server first I do believe, here's a pic, and yes, they rock on a Draenei. Tried to submit but it brought up like 9 windows and crashed my Net...

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3993/dawnsteelshoulders11uj3.png

Edited, Sep 28th 2007 7:32am by Necromanzer

Comentario de Thottbot

plans ain't BoP, Heart of Darkness ain't BoP, I can see this go for a LOT of money, and changed in next patch...

Comentario de Thottbot

lol there's nothing impossible about the mats. :P

All you need is a liiittle trip in to BT ><

Obviously if ur not leet enough to get the mats, ur not leet enough to wear these

Comentario de Thottbot

The pattern is BOE and the item is BOP. You can find the pattern on the AH from time to time and the Heart of Darkness can be purchased (for a hefty price) from the top guilds on a server.

For near T6 equivalent gear, its perfectly reasonable.

Comentario de Thottbot

I've crafted these for myself, and they are doing well. With the Haste, the speed of my Holy Light is 2.44 seconds. With Light's Grace the speed is reduced to 1.95 seconds. Flash of light is 1.47 seconds. I do not have the Bracers yet, but hope this helps some people about the haste times.

Comentario de Thottbot

These are probally the best looking shoulders I've seen in some time, now if Blizz would only put skins like this on some of the sets instead of reusing the same stuff for the umteenth time...

Comentario de Thottbot

What i wonder about these... is is the haste better than CRIT? i mean, im currently only healing ZA, Gruuls and occasionally KZ. My crit goes from 25% to 20% with all three peices of spell haste gear (minus the belt from BT)... my Holy Light is 2.36 seconds (down from 2.5) and my flash of light is 1.42 seconds (down from 1.5)... doesnt seem worth all the effort to get these (eventho i got them mostly just for the heck of it). Hopefully they buff spell haste eventually, maybe... i mean, a 2-second holy light would be nice.

Comentario de Thottbot

Paladins should always keep lights grace up on spiky damage enctounters so i actualy consider it to have a base 2sec cast.

But anyway about spell haste, its good for mana easy fights, like RoS, illidan , bloodboil,archimond etc( i get my shadow priest and shaman here, mana doesn't go below 80%) and makes healing alot easier. These items use to rock with t5 set bonus and down ranking, i actually stopped flashin before it got nerfed(<3 1.5 holy light)...

After the nerf i had to grab t6 pieces and go back to the crule reality of flash spam :(

Comentario de Thottbot

These don't seem like they're worth it, for the price.

Comentario de Thottbot

just curious to know who drops them?

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