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Comentario de Jommers

It's an axe.

Comentario de Corbon

This is even better than Rising Tide for Shamans, and no attunement, drop luck or warrior competition involved. As long as you can reach 1850 Personal Rating.

Comentario de 95700

I'm sorry if I don't quite understand but what would be the point of getting this wpn instead of the one-hand for an enhancement shammy? Is there some difference in dmg that specificly applies if the wpn is classified as "off-hand" instead of "one-hand". Is this one cheaper than the "one-hand"? That would make sense.

Comentario de 94543

Basicly, yes. The point of this item is that it is Off-Hand only and therefore Blizzard can make it cheaper, much cheaper. 1125 arena points versus over 2600 for the One-Handed axe. It allows Enhancement Shaman, and now Fury Warriors who will also probably begin to lean toward a Slow / Slow weapon combination while Dual Wielding due to the changes to Whirlwind, to have the same access to an appropriate Off-Hand weapon that Rogues already enjoy with their multitude of fast weapons in both PvE and the 1.5 speed Off-Hand weapons from the Arena. Blizzard also changed both The Decapitator and Fool's Bane from Karazahn to One-Handed weapons versus their status as Main-Hand in the current patch, filling in the huge gap that Shamans see between 5-mans and Heroic instances all the way to TK and Arena weapons. Previously if you wanted a nice, slow Off-Hand weapon and your guild wasn't killing Al'ar you had to save up the 2600 points for an Arena weapon.

Comentario de 76616

Geeman, its always been best with fast offhand, u usually have more then 33% crit raid buffed so flurry is always up anyways.

Comentario de Geeman

Dear Flicka!

First of all, you answer my claim with a statement without any motivation. Even if you always had flurry up, there would be no reason for a fast offhand over a slow one.

Secondly you think that 33% chance to crit means that on the 3 hits of flurry are used up, you will have re-procced flurry because 33%+33%+33%=almost 100%. This is just wrong and you haven't studied math enough to see that, so I'll help you out.

The way math really works
Flurry procs on a crit. When it's up, it will make your next 3 hits come 25% faster than the standard hit(with 5/5 flurry talents). If you haven't crit on one of the 3 hits, the effect is gone. So the question is, how often will you crit at least one of those 3 hits?

If something has a 33% chance of occur, and you repeat this three times, one thinks like this: The first time, there's a 67% chance you will not crit. If you miss, there's another 67% chance you'll not crit. And if that misses, there's another 67% chance to not crit. So if you manage to get through all those without a single non-crit, you'll have flurry again!

So the chance to not crit a single one of those hits is 0.67*0.67*0.67=0.3008~30,1%. This means that the chance you actually will crit, and re-proc flurry, is 100%-30.1%=69.9%. So with 33% crit you'll have flurry up at an average of ~70% of the time.

The general formula
The previous reasoning means flurry is on average up at least (1-(1-(crit%)/100)^3)*100 percent of the time. I write at least, because this is without taking into consideration any special attacks used during the time for the 3 flurried attacks. The more special attacks you can fit in, the more chance you'll have to re-proc flurry. With some numbers on crit that is:

30% crit chance=65,7% average flurry uptime
40% crit chance=78,4% average flurry uptime
50% crit chance=87,5% average flurry uptime

33% crit chance=69,9% flurry uptime, far from the "flurry is always up anyways" remark.

Now, rogues have a reason to have a fast offhand, due to their combat potency talent. Fury warriors don't. The only time faster weapons could be motivated is in execute range, when one wants to be guaranteed to have enough rage for execute at each global cooldown.

And again, the slower the weapons are, the more special attacks to re-proc flurry you will have the time to fit in before they are used up by your white attacks. That is why slow weapons are better for fury warriors than fast ones, even before the whirlwind buff of 2.3.

Comentario de 101885

Hi guys, i know a slow weapons is the best weapon for a melee shammy MH and OH - however im still wondring if 2x this better then 2x mace from BT - "Syphon of the Nathrezim"?

what i like to know is if the s3 AXE have the stats to make up for the 0,20sec speed?

Thx.

Comentario de Geronin

All armor and weapons that require a personal rating now also require your team to have atleast same rating in order to buy.

Example:

Shoulders 2000 Personal rating now also require Arena team rating +2000.

Comentario de Swirl

Anyone have some advice for an enhancement shaman looking to get this axe for pve? i've tried some 2 v2 and going nowhere fast. Looking like 5 v 5 or possibly 3 v 3 is the the only place to get a 1850 rating. Any advice on team make up? centering on an enhancement shaman?

I was thinking - Disc Priest/ SL lock/ Eny Shaman/ Frost Mage/Holy paladin Might be a nice combo, Bloodlust affecting all in a very positive way but lack the crucial MS warrior...So perhaps switch the mage for that...but then you lack CC...so any advice from En shamans with 1850+ rating on what your team was?

Comentario de 121763

willing to kill for these weapons.....

Comentario de bolo93

Hey, I have one question.
Does Vanir's Left Fist of Brutality/Vengeful Gladiator's Chopper is better than Blade of Infamy or Rising Tide.
I know noobish question, but would like to know from pro's ;).

Comentario de 144071

Get to da chopper!

Comentario de 167476

These now cost 900 honor in S4, with a personal rating requirement of 1800. Seems like the discount on last season's items is slightly more than it was from S2>S3.

Comentario de 83214

As of June 24, 2008, this weapon, along with other Season 3 weapons, now have a 15% discount and 50 point reduced rating requirement for both personal and team arena ratings. The price for this weapon should be around 957 arena points, and 1800 personal and team arena rating requirement.

Comentario de Allakhazam

i sent in a screenshot

Enjoi if it gets posted

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 9:47pm by terith

Comentario de Thottbot

Dear Flicka!

First of all, you answer my claim with a statement without any motivation. Even if you always had flurry up, there would be no reason for a fast offhand over a slow one.

Secondly you think that 33% chance to crit means that on the 3 hits of flurry are used up, you will have re-procced flurry because 33%+33%+33%=almost 100%. This is just wrong and you haven't studied math enough to see that, so I'll help you out.

The way math really works
Flurry procs on a crit. When it's up, it will make your next 3 hits come 25% faster than the standard hit(with 5/5 flurry talents). If you haven't crit on one of the 3 hits, the effect is gone. So the question is, how often will you crit at least one of those 3 hits?

If something has a 33% chance of occur, and you repeat this three times, one thinks like this: The first time, there's a 67% chance you will not crit. If you miss, there's another 67% chance you'll not crit. And if that misses, there's another 67% chance to not crit. So if you manage to get through all those without a single non-crit, you'll have flurry again!

So the chance to not crit a single one of those hits is 0.67*0.67*0.67=0.3008~30,1%. This means that the chance you actually will crit, and re-proc flurry, is 100%-30.1%=69.9%. So with 33% crit you'll have flurry up at an average of ~70% of the time.

The general formula
The previous reasoning means flurry is on average up at least (1-(1-(crit%)/100)^3)*100 percent of the time. I write at least, because this is without taking into consideration any special attacks used during the time for the 3 flurried attacks. The more special attacks you can fit in, the more chance you'll have to re-proc flurry. With some numbers on crit that is:

30% crit chance=65,7% average flurry uptime
40% crit chance=78,4% average flurry uptime
50% crit chance=87,5% average flurry uptime

33% crit chance=69,9% flurry uptime, far from the "flurry is always up anyways" remark.

Now, rogues have a reason to have a fast offhand, due to their combat potency talent. Fury warriors don't. The only time faster weapons could be motivated is in execute range, when one wants to be guaranteed to have enough rage for execute at each global cooldown.

And again, the slower the weapons are, the more special attacks to re-proc flurry you will have the time to fit in before they are used up by your white attacks. That is why slow weapons are better for fury warriors than fast ones, anyways, my friends are hardcore PvPers and hate farming instances so they always get their dungeon loot from

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Comentario de Thottbot

is the arena points for this thing right?

Comentario de Thottbot

This will be INSANE for SHAMANS in the upcoming patch im working on gettin one for myself.. but no doubt good for other classes too

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