5.2 PTR: Audio Spoilers and Transcript, Throne of Thunder Weapons

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Shaman Tier 15 models, Lightning Forge weapons, new vanity pets, and moreSolio del TruenoAudio SpoilersAnduinElsia -- Blood ElfZandalariJainaLorewalkerLor'themar TheronShan-buTaoshiTaran ZhuVereesaWrathionThrone of Thunder WeaponsThere's been a number of important blue posts tonight, including information on the upcoming PTR raid schedule and Ghostcrawler commenting on future set bonus changes. Click the cut to read them all!

Watcher

On Thursday, January 17, we will be testing two more raid encounters in the Throne of Thunder.

Each encounter should be available at approximately the listed times below for all Public Test Realms.

Horridon - 10 Player Normal
10:30 PST (13:30 EST, 19:30 CET)

Iron Qon - 10 Player Normal
16:00 PST (19:00 EST, 01:00 CET)

As always, this testing schedule is very fluid and subject to the realities of a beta environment. We might have to change the time of a testing session, change the boss being tested, or cancel a test entirely, due to bugs, server hardware issues, etc. This is particularly true for these early tests as we are still nailing down overall patch stability. Keep an eye on this forum for the latest information, and thank you in advance for testing and providing feedback.

Important Testing Notes

Q: How do I get into the raid zone?

A: At the northeastern edge of the swamp on the Thunder King's island, there is a Shado-Pan camp in a small cave. A sewer grate in this cave will take you directly to the zone-in point for the raid zone. (As more of the island unlocks, players will be able to access the main gate directly.)

Q: What gear do I use to test the raid?

A: As we did for Beta raid testing, we will be scaling players' gear inside the raid in order to facilitate testing. Gear will be scaled (up or down, as appropriate) to item Level 502 for the purposes of testing Normal modes.

Ghostcrawler: PTR Class Balance and Tier 15 Set BonusesCaballero de la MuerteRoguesResto ShamanWarlocksCaballero de la Muerte

Ghostcrawler

- We are changing the Item - Death Knight T15 DPS 4P Bonus from Ejército de muertos to Máquina de matar and Fatalidad súbita proc more often. We don't have numbers yet and it's possible they won't work out. In addition to all the concerns mentioned, it was a really valid point that Ejército de muertos is hard to use in Raid Finder, where most of our players experience raids. You rarely get countdowns before a pull and players in general are used to yelling at DKs who use Ejército de muertos because they had a bad experience at some point with the ghoul taunt.
- We agree with some of the concerns we've read on the 4pc I mentioned above. We're going to try something else. I won't mention it yet for fear of some readers getting whiplash if we change things yet again.

Druida

Ghostcrawler

- For PvP, we're considering just making the Ciclón duration buff the bonus for all druid specs. We'd likely just give Feral cheaper interrupts (their current glove bonus) baseline.

Ghostcrawler

"We actually want Disc to get back to using Palabra de poder: escudo a little more" Never thought you'd say that one, did ya?
I know, rite? Also trying to get Resto to Rejuvenecimiento a little more. Sometimes we're too effective at changing behavior. :(

Cazador

Ghostcrawler

Can you explain why the hunter's execute Disparo mortal never hits as hard as say... a warriors execute??
Different spells are different. FWIW warriors often complain that Ejecutar hits too hard (lowering their dps for early fight).

Paladín

Ghostcrawler

- now reads +30% Palabra de gloria and +100% Destello de Luz. We wanted to reward Destello de Luz more, because it's harder and riskier to use.
- For Tormenta divina, several years ago, we got on this kick that thou shalt not use AE in single target fights. Ret paladins (Tormenta divina) and warriors (Torbellino) were particularly affected (and perhaps bummed out by it). The game has changed a lot since that time and now we have cleaving Tromba Arcanas and core abilities like Explosión aullante. We think the Ret toolkit is in a better place with separate single-target and AE finishers, but we get requests all the time to make Tormenta divina more prominent. This set bonus is one way to do that. We also saw some complaints about yet another set bonus affecting Veredicto del templario, and thought maybe we could play with Tormenta divina. We also saw complaints that Veredicto del templario randomly doing more damage would be frustrating. The new bonus allows you to take advantage of a proc to increase your damage. We could change the proc to Holy damage, but we would have to nerf it to account for the Item - Paladin T15 Retribution 2P Bonus and Inquisition.
- For Luz cegadora, we don't think it changes much that it's used at the end of a CC chain. It's still trickier to get off a cast time spell. You have to stop moving and risk interruption. Yes, you may use it defensively less often, but the net result will still be less being CC'd by a Holy paladin. No, the CC target can't stop the cast time, but we balance PvP around group play. During MoP development, we wanted to make sure paladins had more offensive pressure. Holy ended up getting plenty with higher nuke damage and access to Repentance. With the recent changes to shaman, Holy paladins are the most dominant healer in high-end PvP. We think this change along with the set piece bonus (Item - Paladin T15 Retribution 4P Bonus)change will help bring that down a little.
- The Protection 2pc will indeed count Divine Purpose boosted Words of Glory.

Ghostcrawler

We agree too many set bonuses hit Veredicto del templario. We know Paladins like Tormenta divina. The storm + lightning seemed appropriate (for Item - Paladin T15 Retribution 4P Bonus).

Sacerdote

Ghostcrawler

Khendra, we have no objection to using Rezo de sanación when you need to heal a bunch of people. That's what it's for. But when you're using Rezo de sanación in preparation for future damage because Égida divina and Coraza espiritual make your AE heal better at shielding than actual Palabra de poder: escudo, then that even further reduces your options. (In 10s, Disc tends to use Expiación more, so they're doing something more than just Rezo de sanación spam. In 25s, we see some Expiación use, but it's fit in when possible and healers in 25s are just always going to be able to specialize more.)

We might in the future add another AE heal for Disc (I think you can make a compelling argument that in this day and age, healers need a variety of interesting AE heals and maybe only a couple of ST heals, while healer design for years went in the opposite direction) but that's not the sort of thing we want to drop on you in the middle of an expansion. In the meantime, if Disc uses Penitencia and Palabra de poder: escudo some more (and Sanación relámpago in PvP) and doesn't trounce all the other healers, we will be satisfied and hopefully so will priests.
Priest
- The problem with Coraza espiritual benefiting from mastery is that it changes Coraza espiritual from "I want to bubble because we'll be hit by a lot of damage soon" to "I want to use Coraza espiritual because my PoHs will be bigger." Once it is a throughput increase, then Coraza espiritual loses some of its identity as a tool and it just becomes a cooldown. Now, we could just nerf Spirit Shell in some way ("you make a bubble weaker than a heal would have been") and then let mastery increase it back to base level again, but we would have to nerf it.
- On the topic of Palabra de poder: escudo, back in say LK, the Disc play style was to tab through every target and Palabra de poder: escudo them. It was effective, and boring. We wanted to move away from that and we were successful. However, Palabra de poder: escudo is still supposed to be a core spell for Disc and we're seeing very little use of it on live. There should be room in the rotation for Spirit Shell, Rezo de sanación and Palabra de poder: escudo and there isn't right now. This isn't a change in philosophy -- any time you see a spec using one spell or ability to the exclusion of others, you can assume we're probably not happy with that. As I said before, if you need to heal damage on a lot of players at once -- use Rezo de sanación. But if a lot of incoming damage is coming, you should probably Palabra de poder: escudo several people and not use Prayer of Healing. On live, you'd still just use PoH because it's your best AE heal and your best AE absorb.

Ghostcrawler

Thoughts on moving the disc current 4pc (holy spark) to the 2pc and scrapping the resil one? pvp disc still lacking in thruput
Actually discussed that. Would have to make sure 2pc Holy Spark wasn't attractive for PvE. That's why it's 4pc today.
I could get behind this. And so what if Holy Spark is decent in PvE? Didn't you say Disc doesn't ST enough?
True that, but making a PvP set bonus mandatory for PvE won't win us many friends. (View Source)

That's not how we see it. Holy posts bad numbers because there are 5-10X as many priests playing Disc (and beating other healers)
Then where are all priests ? playing as a shadow ? Or you want more disc in PvP ? and more holy in PvE ?
Disc is overpowered in PvE and underpowered in PvP. We're trying to solve both.
Doesn't Disc tend to post better numbers than direct healing just because absorbs go before direct heals?
Yes. But that still means Disc is doing more for the group than the healers who are getting their heals sniped.
Are you saying then disc throughput when single healing = other healers, but in a group, disc snipes better?
Hard to even find Disc single heals on logs. Would take longer to answer that question. Sniping used to be what hots did. :) (View Source)

What are some of the plans for Shadow in 5.2, will we see a nerf in pvp, will insanity be useful without cancelling a dot?
Discussing what the right nerf for PvP is, but we think they need one. Redesigning . (View Source)

Outside of Coraza espiritual, does disc really have higher throughput? Or does it just look that way because absorbs?
Even if Disc didn't have Coraza espiritual, their Égida divina + Rezo de sanación is probably too high. DA is an absorb though. (View Source)

Pícaro

Ghostcrawler

- The Item - Rogue T15 2P Bonus does not affect Tempestad carmesí, because Tempestad carmesí’s duration does not scale with combo points.
- As previously mentioned, we chose 80% as the damage for Lanzamiento de shuriken, as that made it balanced with white attacks, to offset the dual wield miss penalty and glancing. However, that neglected to consider that it also triggers poisons more often due to not missing 19% of the time. So we’re lowering its damage slightly, to 75%. That’s intentionally under-compensating, so that the extra poison procs are still a gain, rather than just neutral. Additionally, to make absolutely clear that you do not want to run out, Lanzamiento de shuriken, and run back in, to get the Shuriken auto attacks, we’re making the auto attack override end when you get back in melee range.

Chamán

Ghostcrawler

- For the Item - Shaman T15 Enhancement 2P Bonus, we're going to try Storm Strike gives you 2 charges on , for the reasons mentioned.
- For Enhance 2pc, it's possible that a Storm Strike may "overstack" Maelstrom Weapon. However, you can also choose to Lightning Bolt (or whatever) before the Storm Strike, knowing that you could get up to 4 charges.

Guerrero

Ghostcrawler

- We have heard the concerns of Abrumar's inherent dodge avoidance in addition with dodge proc'ing Abrumar might do strange things with Expertise. We are considering changes, but are loathe to nerf one of the cool quirks that Abrumar has had forever.
- You might Golpe mortal, Abrumar, Abrumar -> Embate some of the time, but Arms has so much uptime on , that that rotation can't last for long. We do want Embate to beat Abrumar + in the new model. We think it does (and remember we're trying Abrumar at a small ragecost), but we'll double check.

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