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Comentario de SilverKnight

Leotheras is a difficult fight because as well as having an enrage timer, he is constantly changing forms, and that means the resposibilities of people in the raid are contantly changing. He basically switches between two forms every 40 seconds, but within one of the forms he also uses his Whirlwind ability, which wipes aggro. That means everybody in the raid has to be alert throughout the fight or you'll just be wiping at the same points all the time.

A full guide to Leo can be found at http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=view_guide&guide_id=54
(this guide uses a warlock offtank to allow melee DPS to hit Leotheras troughout the fight. You can use a single tank strategy too, but then the fight becomes seriously rogue unfriendly)

Comentario de 13166

you can reset him by running out to the tunnel at the west side.

Comentario de 28195

We've attempted this guy yesterday and we downed him the same evening.
Here are just some pointers for the Warlock tank:

- Aim for 12k hp and 250 fire resistance unbuffed.
- Make sure you still got enough Dmg / Hit (/ Crit) in that gear
- Respec to: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0000000000000000000002050030133250100531300505000512230010000000
(This gives you 75 additional resistance, soullink, 15% stamina, 3% health, 15% crit to searing pain, ruin and 70% chance that your searing pain wont be interupted.
- Place your felhunter relatively far away so he wont take any whirlwind dots (and doesnt take the AOE from the fire blast ofc.)
- Make sure you're soulstoned, if you got the above gear and spec you should have over 365 FR (with pally aura) and resist *most* of his fire balls. However, in a rare case you wont resist and as it stacks you might end up with quite some stacks and sometimes your raid enters phase3 before your debuff ran out (preferably make sure your raid doesn't get him in phase3 before your debuff ran out). In that case you might end up taking 17k (and up) hits. Dont worry, just soulstone, instant summon (0,5sec) another felhunter, soullink, and get aggro on the demon asap.
- For those who want an idea of what gear they should aim for, I used:
Flameheart gloves/bracers/chest, Infernoweave boots, the FR necklace from Cipher quest, the FR ring from The Eye attunement quest, the ring from exalted Cenarion Expedition (lots of stamina, dmg and +hit, thats exactly the stuff youre looking for), 2x Goblin rocket launcher (you can also use the arcane resistance trinket, which also has +36 stamina, or the netherwing revered trinket, or the argussian compass from underbog, just try to fill your trinket slots with as much stamina/fire res possible), rest was Gladiator gear (and PVP cloak), which is really good as it gives loads of stamina/dmg/crit.
You should also always check the auction house for 'Fire Protection' because a lvl 70 'Fire protection' item is nearly as good as the epic badges Infernoweave set.

Comentario de rodmin

Some background info about this boss.
Leotheras the Blind is possibly one of 5 blood elves that Illidan authorized to recieve training in the arts of the demon hunter. Of the 5 pupils, 3 have died, one has gone mad (most probably Leotheras, and it explains why he is a demon hunter and is binded in SSC) and the last one, Varedis (https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=21178) passed the tests.

Comentario de Beska

Some fun trivia for you: it's not possible to Mind Vision him, because he is blind!

Comentario de 75956

Druids tank this better than warlocks. I did this tonight for my guild and found that there is a point at which a melee FR tank (preferably druid for faster threat generation) can stand in front of demon form leo at which you can still hit him to gain aggro, but the melee dps (stationed at his backside) will not recieve any damage from chaos blast. When he switches to human form the druid can either tank the entire fight or switch off with a second druid/warrior in full tank gear to make healing the raid easier. (since the demon form FR tank will have sacrificed many of his good tanking stats for resistance increases) We didnt want to take any chances so both the warrior and i fought for aggro after each phase shift/whirlwind - too many dps were being noobs and pulling from DOTs or whatever whenever he reset his aggro.

*EDIT*
btw the best way for a druid to grab aggro immediately after whirlwind is feral charge + mangle + maul and having a 5 stacked lacerate already ticking him (if worse comes to worst that miniscule dot will be enough to rip aggro and save him from running around ganking your raid if you miss your initial mangle + maul)

how to get EXACTLY 375 buffed FR (capped)
my resistance gear:
-4/4 heroic badge FR arnor (gloves, boots, chest, legs)
-Trial of the Naaru: Magtheridon FR ring
-Amulet of the Torn Heart neckpiece
-Syrannis cloak from botanica with +7 to all resistances enchant (serves a double purpose as a hydross resistance tank item); also the onyxia cloak with +15 FR and the ony trinket are not needed because this collection of items will cap you
-FR aura and improved MotW
-other viable options would be onyxia trinket or cloak, crappy greens or an unlikely drop off the animal boss in kara ;) or as the poster above me commented - Flameheart Bracers and Wyrmcultist's Cloak

Without FR aura you will have somewhere around 328 or 338 FR (i forget which one) with an improved mark of the wild - by luck of the gods when FR aura is stacked i achieved EXACTLY 375 FR... probably due to the MotW not stacking with FR aura

-Loadeddice, Kul Tiras, Vengeance battlegroup
Night Elf Druid

Comentario de 40775

tips on execution from a warlock who's done it. ( http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Unionjack )

demon phase is 60s and human phase is 45 seconds

so that means 15s or so before human phase put your COD up. don't be early, cod going off later is not as bad as pulling agro in human form with an early cod. I usually do it around 14.5s or 13s

if the cod resists, it resists on cast, you can announce to your raid to give you a second or two for agro.
(remember cod has a 60s cd, so if it resists, you dont get it for that demon phase)

a couple seconds before he switches to demon form, start spamming searing pain. (you're not going to pull agro with that at the end because you're in FR gear and the tank has been working on him for a long time)
try to time it so a searing pain lands ~.5 seconds after he switches into demon form.
Even if you blindly spam it a couple seconds before without trying to land it perfectly, it will always be better than waiting for him to change.

your felhunter doesn't need to be out of range of you, it wont get hit with the blast wave. make sure the healers know to heal the soul linked felhunter....

if you die its not really all that bad, the thing that makes him hit hard is the debuff stacking, so if you die with like 15s or less left in demon phase, ss back up and start doing damage, the healers will ahve to heal a bit on dps, but it wont be as much since they wont have a high number of stacked debuffs. you'll be able to pick it up next demon phase.

for phase 3 (when he changes into both forms), depending on the timing you might have a crapload of stacked debuffs on you. that means the healers need to be spamming highest rank heals nonstop, I get lots of overheal, but if I die in this phase I can't pick him up again.

use spell damage oil, spell food buffs, and flask/elixir up, you really need that extra damage so the dps can go to town.

Comentario de Murphmaster

Would you get a debuff if your fire resist gear leaked some damage, but it was prevented by a fire protection potion? (example: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=13457)

Comentario de 96380

inner demons should be much easier to kill in 2.3 since healers will not have to sacrifice some gear for +dmg gear
their healing +1/3dmg can provide enough to take them down

Comentario de 55700

Leo can also be tanked by a prot pally in FR gear during both phases. A prot pally's front loaded threat generation is great for all the transition aggro wipes and really makes this fight simple. Make sure there are 1 or 2 prot warriors nearby in case the pally dies during the demon phase and doesn't rez/rebuff in time for the start of the next human form phase. Give the prot pally a soul stone. Its ok for other players to take a few hits of Chaos Nova as they don't hurt until the debuff hits 3-4 stacks. During phase 3, the pally can tank both forms at the same time, but I would recommend he just tank the demon form while a prot warrior or two keeps the human form busy long enough for Leo to die.

Plate can easily hit 365 FR with about 7-8 items. The rest of your gear should be regular tank/stamina gear. Use all spell dmg buffs (Flask of Blinding Light, Wizard Oil, etc.) You should have at least 365 FR, 16k health (w/ imp) and 500 spell dmg. You'll also probably need some mana pots and/or innervates during the fight to maintain max threat throughout the fight. Leo in demon form doesn't do very much damage but it is very spikey, so you'll run out of mana fast during this phase. Most of your mana regenation will come from healing during the human form phase where the damage is much heavier but also more steady. Keep trying to tank Leo during the whirlwind phase. The whirlwind itself will only hit you for about 1k health, but the Rend DoT it applies will tick for about 3k per tick which is a great way to take damage and regen mana off the heals it requires. I recommend you keep up Judgement of Wisdom during the whole fight.

The debuff stacking is random so during some rounds of the demon form phase you'll see as little as 1 or 2 stacks and other times you might be unlucky enough to see up to 8 stacks or more. Chaos Blast cannot be partially resisted. You either take the full blast or completely resist it. This makes the damage VERY spikey and you can easily die from too many stacks of the debuff. The MT healers really need to be paying attention as the debuffs stack up. A pally with 16k health can survive a hit of Chaos Blast with up to about 7-8 stacks of the debuff if he's at full health. You should be averaging about 3-5 debuffs by the end of the phase. Anything above 5 stacks is fairly dangerous. There are many ways to deal with heavy debuff stacking. You may want to consider bubbling off the debuff if you get a lot of stacks early in the phase although regaining aggro can sometimes be a chore. Another option is to get some range on Leo and keep moving. You can actually dodge his Chaos Blasts as they actually target the ground you're standing on. If you're far enough away and constantly moving, you won't get hit. You'll need a wide open area for this as you don't want your guildies to get hit by it either. You can also try having a 2nd tank (of any class really) pull aggro and take over for the rest of the phase. Finally, you can also experiment with temporary max health increasing trinkets or items. Nightmare seeds (+2000 max health for 30 secs) make a great emergency buff.

Make sure consecration is active during the transformations and immediately judge whatever dmg spell you prefer after the transformation is complete. For whirlwinds, time an Avenger's Shield cast for just when he's ending the whirlwind and it will grab him every time. (If he resists, follow up with a damaging judgement) Prot warriors can also help in the extreme cases where he chain resists or outranges you. Use Holy Shield only during the human form phase and use exorcism during the demon form phase (He becomes classified as a demon during this phase so, yes, you can use your undead/demon spells.) If you stand at max melee range while tanking the demon form, the melee dps can melee him from behind without being hit by Chaos Nova. Hunters should use misdirects as needed to help out.

Leo tends to head towards whoever damaged him last so if you keep attacking him as if you are still tanking he usually won't wander off very far before coming back, especially if you use Seal of Vengeance. The DoT portion of SoV is a great way to maintain aggro and the judgement hits harder than JoR making it a better snap aggro judgement.

The two biggest challenges with this fight are the tank regaining aggro after a whirlwind and everyone being able to kill their inner demons before being MC'ed. Prot pallies are best suited for grabbing quick aggro after a whirlwind and after the 2.3 patch, few players should have any trouble killing their inner demons. If the occasional person does get MC'ed, kill them and then (if you want) battle rez them. Don't bother trying to keep them sheeped. Its not worth it.

Comentario de 71536

Can warlock tank it with full pvp gear? Since resilience would affect on debuff as well

Comentario de Fenja

The demon can also be tanked by a warrior in fire resistance gear without any problems.

Comentario de 66445

pretty damn good aim for a blind guy 0.o

Comentario de Auriga

Supposedly Kael'thas sent 5 elves to Illidan to train as demon hunters. Three died in the training, the fourth went mad, and the only one who made it is Varedis, who is in Shadowmoon. Some folks think Leotheras was the fourth one, who went mad. Any word on whether this is true or not?

Comentario de 107419

he has spectral vision. he can actually see better than normal people especially when finding demons

Comentario de 41072

Unless I've been imagining things Stoneform Doesn't remove the whirlwind bleed. It certainly didn't when I got the bleed and hit Stoneform.

Comentario de 117356

When all know what to do that boss is just simple, tanks need to take agro betwen forms and that is all. Raid just nuke when he is demon form and when tank got him after change form to human.

Comentario de 51621

It should definitly be noted that when you hit that 15% mark and he splits into both forms; for about 10 seconds all DPS can just go all out as he will not attack and there is no aggro table. However; after those first 10 seconds, all DPS should stop and let the tank pick up the Human form and move him away from the demon form so that we do not have a problem with chaos blast. My guild does this everytime and we bring him down from 15% down roughly 2-3% making this last phase that much more easier. During this phase his human form acts as though it was any other time of the fight so be aware of whirlwind and aggro.

Comentario de 100144

Does Iceblock remove the Chaos Blast debuff?
I used to tank him in demon-shape as warrior with FR gear, but we have been playing with the idea of having a mage tanking him with max FR gear, using iceblock should the debuff stack too much :o

*Edit: we just killed him with a mage tanking him (way too much FR gear on him ^^) went pretty easy, and yes - Iceblock does remove the debuff - and the mage will have aggro back when he cancels the iceblock and does fireblast <3 - Works wonders for when you hit 15% :)

Comentario de 121874

would the felguards passive ability, "avoidance" help at all?

Comentario de Vlad

If you make the raid Sheep you and you Alt+F4 you can relog but the debuff will not control you, but simply make you attackable and you can then yourself move around and play. True you can't get healed or heal others but you can still participate by doing damage on the boss or Heartstoning to kill alliance for fun. :P

Comentario de 43910

Overall a really cool fight, this guy is coolness himself.

Comentario de 1642

For prot warriors having difficulty killing their inner demons I had the same problem. I got to the point of just popping recklessness just to kill my inner demon, but that only works once! After a few kills I decided to attempt to spell reflect the shadow bolt rather than use it as a rage boost and it actually takes a load of health off the demons. So as soon as Leo goes demon, switch to battle stance and start your white attacks so you get a full rage bar if you get the inner demon. If you get one put up 5 devastates and pop your Auto-Blocker (if you have one) before you Shield Slam, all the while staying above 25 rage for Spell Reflection. Once you reflect that Shadow Bolt you should be within execute range after a couple of hits. Easy mode! Good luck!

Comentario de EvilElpay

Max your Fire resist with Infernowave set and "Fire Protection" greens from AH. All other gear replace with PVP gear to ensure high stam and good caster stats. You want to balance survivabilty with stats. If you don't either you will die and wipe, or you will not allow enough threat for your dps.

Nether protection gives you no benefit.

If this is your first Leo, get Soul Link. Once you have beaten Leo without dropping below 20% health, then you can spec whatever you want. Soul Link's resistance is easy to bypass, it's the 20% the pet soaks that make the difference.

Also, the pet will take damage from whirlwinds, it will not take damage from Chaos Blast.

This guy is resettable. Save your wipe protection until 15% when he splits. Use your Soulstone on your warlock tank once he splits. If he dies he can easily pick threat back up because he only has to fight healer aggro.

Split Phase is when people panic. DONT PANIC. You will not be able to down Leo if at 15% you get sloppy and allow yourself to get hit by whirlwinds.

If you are a healer, it is wise to bring an enchanted dps weapon to switch during battle when you get a demon.

Comentario de gaashura

Since 2.4:

After a wipe if one of your co-raiders got MCd and has to stay there next to leo, all you need to do is summon him with, the player will come to you, you kill him and res him, easy way to avoid a 10 minute wait on the next attempt.

-Gaash

Comentario de Lemonwizard

For a warlock tanking Leotheras, the two piece tier 5 set bonus is incredibly useful as it means your healers don't have to worry about the soul link damage to your felhunter nearly as much.

Comentario de 30218

This is just my number crunching on Destructive Reach I did mid raid so it MIGHT not be 100% accurate.

Even with the 10% reduction, spamming searing pain at 900 / shot nets 1620 TPS (threat per second) not including crits. Resists will factor in, but over 150 seconds (100 casts, 6% miss, my current and its not too bad) appx. 6 will miss resulting in 10,800 lost threat out of a potential 180,000, meaning 169,200. Over the 150 seconds you spent casting those the 169,200 results in a grand total of 1128 TPS. That is enough to hold aggro off any DPS up to 1612 DPS if they have salv.

In my opinion this trade is well worth it given the added range can make or break grabbing him before he kills someone else. Curse of Doom is nice but its nice to have searing pain at the ready at all times.

Comentario de 40119

I reccomend Having 3+ Healers on The Warlock Tank on the Split, and Have either
2 Warlock Tanks, or Have 1 with a SS on him, Just incase

Comentario de Thottbot

Leotheras the Blind is a Demon Hunter Boss deep in Serpent Shrine Cavern, coming after The Lurker Below, and in about the same position as Morogrim Tidewalker. He drops the t5 hands tokens, and is not a very particularly hard fight. However, a warlock with maxed out fire resistance is needed. While a Soul Linked warlock with two piece t5 bonus would do best, it is not necessary. A destruction warlock with Nether Protection doesn't work due to it having a bug of letting the warlock lose aggro. Also, all the tanks and healers have to have a bit of damage gear on them (tanks having two-handers, and healers having 300 +dmg at least).

His abilities in normal form are as follows:

Melee: He doesn't hit particularly hard, even a clothie could potentially take one hit. It's just that due to having dual wield, he hits very fast. Also, he doesn't seem to have a cleave.

Whirlwind: About every 20 seconds, he'll go into "Sartura" mode. Ignoring all threat rules, he'll charge around randomly, spinning crazily as he goes, and cleaving anyone near him for around 2.5k on cloth. This whirlwind also leaves a nasty DoT of 2.5k per tick for 12 seconds, totaling to about 10k damage. Heal whoever is hit and HoT them up, making sure that they don't die from the dot. BoP, Iceblock, and Divine Shield can safely remove the DoT effect. However, be careful not to BoP the tanking warlock.

About every minute, he'll transform into his demon form, which lasts also about a minute. His abilities in demon form are as follows:

Chaos Blast: His primary ability that he spams on the person highest on his threat list. It's a two second fire nuke that leaves a stacking debuff that increases the target's fire damage taken by ~1675. It also does a small aoe around the target with the same damaging effects. Have your warlock DoT Leotheras up when he's about to enter his demon form, and then searing pain him to grab aggro, making sure there's nobody standing near him. Massive heals on the tanking warlock is necessary at the end.

Inner Demon: Once in his demon form, he'll cast this upon the raid. It randomly hits 5 people, and then an Inner Demon mob with around 11k hp (and hits for around 1.5k on cloth) will spawn upon those people. Each demon is "linked" to the player, and only that player can kill that demon. If the demon isn't killed by that person before Leotheras returns to his normal form (~30 seconds), that person will be Mind Controlled for the duration of the fight, and must be quickly killed off by the raid (no durability hit). This is the reason all tanks and healers should have damage gear, and this is mostly the reason people wipe to Leotheras. Make sure everybody in your raid knows how to dps.

When doing the following abilities Leotheras resets aggro: Whirlwind (when finished), normal to demon transformation, and demon to normal transformation. It is interesting to note that even though the dps can go all out during the whirlwind, the duration of the ability is short, and to avoid grabbing aggro right after, the dps must be careful. His demon form, in fact, is when most of the damage to Leotheras is done.

Begin by having three tanks tanking the 3 channeling adds. Leotheras doesn't come unbanished until you kill all three of them. Be warned, though, that when the last add is down, Leotheras INSTANTLY becomes free, so you have to make sure you have a tank ready to pick him up. Having healers go slow on healing before engaging him is recommended, so is planting a searing totem by where he'll be tanked, and having a hunter's misdirection casted on the tank. Note that the above suggestion works for whenever he resets aggro during the fight, and is key to winning this encounter.

The channelers don't hit for much, but they do randomly Mind Blast people in the raid. If you're unlucky, they can all aim for one player and instantly kill him/her.

Have your raid spread out in a semi-circle around where he's banished (where he will be tanked). Always have a searing totem planted on that spot, and your hunters should have Misdirection at their fingertips. Leotheras is not tauntable, so give your tanks a few seconds to build up aggro in the beginning and whenever he finishes whirlwinding and changing phases. Be careful not to pull aggro whenever a transition happens by stopping dps, and have your melee run out 10 to 5 seconds before he starts whirlwinding to avoid certain death. It is important to note that your survival is more important than a few nukes during whirlwind, so spread out even further when he starts charging around randomly.

This is mostly a rinse and repeat fight of tanks grabbing aggro on aggro reset, warlock grabbing him whenever he changes into his demon form. DPS stopping dps whenever a transition happens, and healers/tanks taking the Inner Demons down. He does have a 10 minute enrage timer, and at 15% hp, something interesting happens.

At 15%, he'll "split" up into his demon and normal form. That means you'll have to deal with both his normal whirlwinding self and his chaos-blasting demon form (with no Inner Demons this time) at the same time. Have your warlock tank the demon, and make sure a Soulstone is on him (he could potentially pop backup and regain aggro, so a Soulstone rotation helps). Kill Leotheras's normal form before his demon form kills your warlock and then wreaks havoc upon your raid. However, his aggro resets still stay the same, so watch out for his normal form too.
*his demon form comes out with 100% hp, so dps the normal form.

Definitely a boss that can be downed on the first night (what happened with us). He is just aggro-sensitive.

Comentario de Thottbot

How much fire resistance and HP would be recommended for a warlock in this fight?

Comentario de Thottbot

When does he reset his aggro? When he starts the whirlwind or when he finishes?

Comentario de Thottbot

lol he has the GM warglaives of azzinoth, 2 bad the guys blind :(

Comentario de Thottbot

One of my favorite bosses, simple because he is a badass. Someone dies? "That's right!" Haha!

Comentario de Thottbot

he's cute.

Comentario de Allakhazam

As noted by a previous commenter there are elements of this fight that resemble Battleguard Sartura. There's a lot more going on though. He's sort of a cross between Hydross and Sartura, with a warlock tanking component a la Twin Emps.

He will spend part of his time whirlwinding, and everyone needs to avoid him during that time; that's when he has no aggro table, like Sartura. When he drops out of Whirlwind he'll go to the highest aggro on his list - so everyone needs to pause dps/healing and let the tank pick him back up. He also transforms into a demon with a ranged fire attack for a set period of time, and a warlock tank works best for this.

On top of all that, you must also face your own inner demons when you fight him... :P if you don't kill them, you'll be mind controlled.

World of Strats has a full guide to Leotheras with diagrams, videos etc.

Comentario de Allakhazam

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Edited, May 18th 2007 8:17pm by BaelgunFreak

Comentario de Allakhazam

Which instance is he in?

Comentario de Allakhazam

He´s in Coilfang^^

Very hard encounter.. The last step on the way to LADY VASHY
He is compare with Battleguard Sartura from Ahn'Qiraj but much harder^^

BTW: WC 3 INC :DD
I am pleased for the black temple.

The WC 3 Mission where Vashy,Akama,Kael´Thas and illidan throw Magtheridon from his temple is tooo nice :D
I love the WC 3 Storyline and I´m pleased illidan baned from his sucken temple.

illidan is a mighty person. the fight against him must be legendary...^^

Ok for now The Eye musst be cleared. but Kael´thas is on the other hand...^^

:DD

Edited, May 18th 2007 8:34pm by BaelgunFreak

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